Haugkall: I'm by no means an expert at hair but that can't be healthy for the hair follicles? Why is her mouth gaping, did she just run a mile to get first in line for some cartoon show? And the sunglasses seem about as unnecessary as sun lotion for her. Or perhaps it's just a blonde girl covered in shit, oops that is rude.
Bbu: this is nice! you should have a bit more contrast in the clothes cause they seem flat compared to the depth of the face (i really like the shadows you did on the face and stuff its really good)
YinSaku: @Haugkall: I commemorate you for practicing your art, using mine as a reference [Referring Haug's link above]. However, the curl pattern is off, as seen from your quick strokes on the top of the head. Also, darkening the skin tone does not validate "African-ness" since it comes in many shades. I recommend for your own self knowledge to do research on Australian aboriginals, those with a darker skin complexion with natural blonde hair. Not saying this is the case. I must also add that this person I drew has a mono-lid, so you changing its phenotype (eye shape, broadening of the nose, fullness of the lips, Skin undertone from warm to cool) totally makes this your own fan-art. So if you'd like, post it separately in the gallery! <3 My dream is that one day the replies will fill the whole page~
Haugkall: It's still your picture, all I did was doodle a bit on top of it to illustrate the natural state of a savage. It's not even proportioned correctly and the anatomy is off. But I wouldn't want to spend more than 10 min on correcting your picture, I got stuff to do. Why would I say that blacks are still primitives or Africans despite living all over the west. Think of it this way, a polar bear that moves to Africa isn't going to be able to adapt very well to the savanna. It's still going to behave like a polar bear. Likewise a black person that moves to the west is still going to behave like a savage on the african savanna. Twerking, rap music, the catchy beats, these are inherited qualities handed down to the blacks by their savage ancestors.
I know for a fact that forerunner, lauv and you too Yin assuming you're black would be much happier in a jungle somewhere or on a savanna. Be honest would you feel more comfortable here:
https://youtu.be/njaraxgQPYM
or here:
https://youtu.be/bJgD3ttyTLc?t=5
Know your limitations and your history. If you reject your past and lose your identity you become depressed. The person in this picture isn't blonde and definitely wouldn't fit in Tokyo. Stop trying to be what you're not and stop pissing all over people who appreciate European civilization. We would all be much happier if we would be allowed to segregate a bit. I definitely don't need your crappy rap and you don't need a strong family/farming culture. Keep your filthy muslim and black hands off the little white children and try keep your rap music at a low volume, civility will perserve!
That said, even I must admit a savage black beast clothed in nothing but her hair running after a zebra on the savanna. Layers of black flesh and sweat on top of her bones, the breath of an animal! The Howls of a gorilla can be heard when the great white hunter makes love to her black ass. I can see the appeal but the village in the video above is more important. So sorry but you got to be made to behave or move back to the jungle! And if none of this plays out there's going to be a terrible conflict at some point in the future. The European spirit won't die without a last fight!
Pocodile: I'm shocked the site hasn't banned him yet,
oh wait I know why, they don't wanna waste their time to ban a racist asshole like Haugkall who think's he's all that with a cherry and bullshit who think's he has the right to be an asshole just because he thinks he has a say over everyone's oppinion, how about he goes and joins the band of terrorists who kidnap and bomb everyone because they think blacks are the scum of our planet because their skin is darker and they just happened to be raised with different cultures. And this terrorist group I mentioned, that would be the KKK just an fyi,
so if he replies, I would actually like to see him reply, I'm curious to see his book long reply on how he's so justified by his assholery, by putting dumb youtube or whatever the fuck else links in his reply.
Haugkall: Racism is a fact of evolution. Let's not devolve into savages please. In other words let's not bend over backwards to forerunner and his twerking homies. Pocodile I believe I've come to notice that forerunner is attracted to you. Unless you're like him a brownie I would advice against approving of his savagery. We've got to practice some good old fashioned racism if we want to preserve our village peaceful. We wouldn't want brownies smoking weed and keepin it real at the side of the road while those school children are waving their parents goodbye.
Haugkall: The KKK is an American organization consisting of 1000 drunks in a barn somewhere. They've got nothing to do so they obsess over these things I speak of every waking hour. All they're guilty of is dreaming of not being such pieces of shit. I however got stuff to do and have decided to just comment on these issues briefly. Because frankly we've reached a point at which the rapping is going out of hand, Muslim and black rappers must be put in their place. They're out order and they're becoming increasingly annoying to listen to. All I ask of you is that you behave, but it seems that no matter how many times I say it you still scream of racism. It's truly depressing to time and time again be proven right, you are savages. A civilized person would not be writing these things pocodile. I repeat, behave or fuck off back to the jungle, cheers now I'm going to go listen to some classical music and relax.
Pocodile: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan how bout you take your own advice and do a little fucking research :) you'll find you and the KKK aren't so fucking different.
forerunner2: @Haugkall: haug im perfectly fine with with what people of the same color as me do i dont really care, also im mixed im not jsut fully black, thats another point that ur racist and for a fact that "good old fashioned" racism isnt accepted either way so u can go die in a hole now
Haugkall: Read the first few lines of that wikipedia page:
"extremist reactionary positions such as white supremacy, white nationalism, anti-immigration and—especially in later iterations—Nordicism."
I'm not a white supremacists, I'm a civility supremacists. Japanese samurai come on in, Italian baker come on in, Jewish mathematician come on in, fishing eskimo come on in. I'm opposed to bad manners, it just happens to be the case that some groups of people are more prone to bad behaviour than others. That's evolution and IQ. africans evolved for the savanna and small tribes not for family life in a village. It's not racist to be for law and order, if asians, jews, whites would become a minority in any one western country the west would turn into south america, Africa or the middle east. That's common sense and an obvious fact to all. There is no sacred earth at which people automatically create impressive architecture, nice litterature, beautiful art or invent space rockets capable of going to Mars. If all the middle easternes would move out of the midldle east and we would plant 60 million japanese people there, those countries wouldn't be shitholes anymore. Same thing if we put blacks or muslims in Japan, your beloved cartoons would disappear and instead those lands would be rapping shitholes.
None of this is racist, none of this has to do with me, all of this is a fact. I'm not a violent person, most civil people are very civilized. I wouldn't go punch some random brown person out just because it's likely that he is an idiot. However I've reached a point at which I might just be in favor of NOT throwing tax payer's money at "disenfranchised communities". Also let's not have babies with these people please, it's obvious that the child will be a bit retarded. Also please let's not build mosques or just have the rapist muslim pay a fine when he ruined some little blonde girl's anus. In fact, let's just castrate all pedophiles and rapists. All we've got to do is stop pampering these dumbasses and they'll eventually disappear. What pisses me off is when people make excuses for them, aw they have a special culture, they have had a hard time, people are being racist towards them. No idiot, these people have spent thousands of years in a jungle and are now having a hard time living up to our civilized standards.
When you keep screaming racist whenever facts are pointed out to you, or try associate me with retarded rednecks from America you're pushing your luck friend. When civilized people become uncivilized all savages beware, last time it happened the atomic bomb was invented. Wonder what the next weapon would be, a biological virus controlled by AI that eradicated all the savages? Who the hell knows. But let's all behave ourselves and such horrible things won't happen. I have read news stories of little girls being grinded down into kebab after being raped, it's going to take a lot for me to become uncivilized. But I fear others don't possess the same self restraint as I do, remember these new movements you see stirring in the west. They weren't a really a thing until recently. We recieved immigrants in the 90s, some more now in the 2000s. Just because some of you have grown to accept all this bullshit doesn't mean this is how it's always been. It's hard to fathom just how civilized people were a hundred years ago. I mean relatively peaceful, still ignorance but not at the same scale as today. Just look how peaceful everything is.
https://youtu.be/B-m9A8mY-U0?t=6
Beauty, civility, law, order, intellect is not racist.
Haugkall: And I should add those people in the video, they're in us. All we've got to do is reject the savages and the nasty cultures and ideas they burp into our faces and things will become much prettier and peaceful.
forerunner2: well noone cares about what u think, for once stop trying to mold this site and everyone else into exceptional people for you, not everything can be pitch fucking perfect for u dumbass
Evahne2: I'm not going to sit and read a wall of false claims. But judging by what you've been saying I PITY you for how dull you are. I pity you for your views on the world because clearly you think it revolves around you and your views. You call those with black skin 'Savages' when funnily enough mate you're the most savage ignorant man I've ever come across. You claim to know history, so will you tell me how much of a savage Martin Luther King was? How he stood up to fight tediously for his rights and so rightfully earned them. Yet it was white men that would beat any black man or woman they saw. Which to you sounds savage? It's stupid people like you that the world calls Savage my friend.
bob_the_builder: @Evahne2: "Yet it was white men that would beat any black man or woman they saw." Interesting. In the United States, from 1865 to 1965 (an entire century, and noting that after 1965 racial segregation was abolished), 6000 black people were killed by white people in racial hate crimes. This includes all types of crimes - murders (committed by a single individual or by organizations like the KKK) and lynching.
If we take FBI data from, say, 2010 and 2011, almost 5000 blacks killed other blacks.
In 2012, black males made up 6.6% of the American population and were responsible for 5531 murders. In the same year, white males made up 38% of the American population and were responsible for 4582 murders.
Your vision of American racial segregation from the 1860s to the 1960s is very strange. It's almost as if you imagine white Americans beat up and killed blacks for laughs. While blacks didn't enjoy nearly as much civil rights as whites, white-on-black violence was very rare at this time (and still is).
And before you mention slavery, at the peak of slavery not even 2% of Americans were slave owners. Blacks themselves in African countries have practiced slavery on their own people at all times.
Who seems the most savage again?
Sources for the crime statistics:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl06.xls
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_3_murder_offenders_by_age_sex_and_race_2012.xls
forerunner2: "you tell me how much of a savage Martin Luther King was? How he stood up to fight tediously for his rights and so rightfully earned them." u have to admit eva was right about this, some black men are savages and some white men are savages as well, each race or species has its deliquets, but not all black men are savages, some are highly intelligent and some are just your average man having a job, paying his bills regularly and liveing a regular life.
bob_the_builder: @forerunner2: "some black men are savages and some white men are savages as well" No. MOST black men are savages and SOME white men are savages. In this society where we are taught from birth that all cultures are valuable, this is very difficult to admit for you and others in this comment thread. Unfortunately the facts prove this optimistic point of view wrong every single day. Look at the crime statistics I gave, look at the state of African countries compared to Europe.
Martin Luther King has little to do with anything. He is one example of a highly respectable black man but he clearly doesn't represent the majority. Poverty and lack of education alone can't excuse nor explain these blatant differences in crime rates and overall intelligence. Let's take a look at another man who is hailed by blacks and ignorants worldwide because he supposedly liberated his country from white oppressors, Nelson Mandela. What you may not know is that he was a terrorist (as part of his struggle against apartheid) and that he destroyed South Africa's economy during his term as president. Since the apartheid ended, South Africa's crime rate increased to be one of the highest in the world. The apartheid is now being turned against whites who suffer from more and more financial and social discrimination from the black elites.
Fission: While we're on the topic of African "liberators", Let me talk about Robert G. Mugabe, Former Prime Minister of Zimbabwe (1980-2017). Mugabe was apart of a group called ZANU. ZANU split from ZANLA in 1980, which had ties with communist China during the Cold War. Mugabe was elected in 1979, and was in office in 1980. During his rule he confiscated privately owned farms, and printed money, which caused hyper-inflation of 7% by 1980 and 79,600,000,000% by 2017.
Haugkall: It is important to remember that it's nobodies fault that the black ones behave like they do. Or that whites and Asians prefer to live in civilized societies. If we want to avoid conflicts we should segregate and definitely not have children with each other. And you who are savage would surely prefer to live in harmony with nature in a jungle somewhere, right? And if you want to live with us then you have to understand that there is no chance in the world that we will let you transform our societies into shit. Learn to behave or creep back to the jungle. ♥
Pocodile: Okay fine, you're not racist, or sexist, you are just simply an asshole who can't leave well enough alone.
Who's only goal is to piss off "easy" targets.
To always get the last word in to matter how stupid and unnessisary the string becomes.
Re-using points to make yourself seem like you're original and higher minded,
call me a savage, call me a moron, tell me to behave.
Only when you behave will this site be a lot more tolerable.
Why not go to a site that could actually improve and better itself with these comments,
try going to sites like DeviantArt or maybe even Porn hub, find those savages there.
Hell even Youtube is a good place to get your kicks, broaden your horizons.
Pocodile: I finding it comical how you find this worth your time, I'm just imagining some fucktard typing this on their phone on tiolet out of boredom and laughing their ass off this is how stupid these have become.
nonomeabbi: pfft poco we all know that If he even went to pornhub he wouldn't be able to find what hes looking for, I mean tbh hes obviously says all this shit to hide the fact he probably has a small penis.
actually, I but my dick is bigger than hes, and the funnier part to that... is, I don't even got one.
oh and if your a fem, your acting very unlady like, a lady should be more proper and act to a certain level, giving everyone one the respect they deserve. oh and your probably think, that I shouldn't be talking, cos I'm not giving you respect or anything... but oh no hun, I'm giving you your spoon of medicine cos your seem to very ill. and your making everyone sick of you.
bob_the_builder: @nonomeabbi: "you have a small penis" We get it, you have no actual argument to come back with. You didn't need to make it so ridiculously blatant.
Haugkall: So silly and immature, but you can not expect more from savages. They have no arguments so to shock and make people laugh at us they start talking about buttocks and penises. Such disingenuous, rude, disgusting, vulgar and uncivilized people.
Haugkall: I don't really care how you behave, do what the hell you want just not on my lawn. If you shit on someone's lawn and then tell them to leave if they don't like it. No no no, that's not how this works. Go shit somewhere where no civilized folk can either read your crap, hear your crap, taste or smell your crap. Maybe here?
forerunner2: haug pocos right, if u dont like the way people act on this site then go to somewhere where people can acutally benefit from ur comments instead of just hating them, as u and i have seen noone clearly wants what "advice" ur trying to give so stop trying to mold this site into the future that u foresee for humanity, and please before commenting something ridiculousy think about what ive typed for a few seconds, maybe a minute or a day, i wont rush u
bob_the_builder: @forerunner2: The way I see it is that no one should leave a place they like because it's been overrun by degenerate freaks. This is exactly why Europeans must not give up their homeland as it is being invaded by peoples of the desert. In that extremely worrying case as much as the less important Flockmod one, the mentally and culturally inferior people are expected to bother upgrading to the standards of the superior ones, not the contrary.
Haugkall: Good point Bob, you'll always find the decent ones a minority in any one location or online. If the civilized ones won't live DOWN to the savages standards by sucking some low IQ brown penis, listen to rap lyrics or worship some pedophile prophet. Then you're called names or made to feel ashamed for not being a part of their group. Racist, sexist, nazi, white hoe it could even be extended to "do you even lift bruh", "get laid virgin" or "get a job loser" etc.
If name calling doesn't work because the individual is too independant, strong minded and pure. Then they try to destroy you physically or make you leave. They'll do either of these things even though they're immigrants or exceptionally stupid. Qualification or quality doesn't matter, this is a crucial point. They all share an immense lack of respect for the countries they invade, the cultures they shit all over or the people they ask to leave. Even though next to us they're nothing. The average rapper should be kissing my feet. The average muslim or black person should be in absolute awe of the west or east Asia, doesn't matter if they grew up there it's not of their making. They would be unable to make any of it, their natural habitat is the savanna.
It's the mind of a pervert. Oh look at me I'm such a degenerate filthy beast, oh look at that pretty person over there let's try make him/her admit to being just as nasty as me by...oh yes let's obsess over each others filthy assholes. Let's try become friends under less than ideal circumstances by pretending to be keepin it real guurl, oh yeah hecka funny jajajaja. Yo dat some nice stuff bruh, yo gurl wanna go hang out over there later yo. All decent people know it's an act, there's not a single little blonde lady that goes to bed at night thinking to herself. Yo if only yo this or yo that. Within every one of them slumbers a proud super posh lioness, but they've been made to feel ashamed of being themselves. Necause they have come to think that it's normal to behave like the savages.
This is the great flaw in all decent folk. They have too much empathy, they're too kind and think that all people are just as sensitive and good natured as they are. So the reason the dumbass rapper is misbehaving or speak such nonsense, it's because he's a poor little baby who has had a bad time. Aww poor guy or gal, they were racist against her and she isn't accepted by the community. Aw look he raped someone. So what, he has been through war back in his home country and he felt a bit lonely. NO, they are not like us. That should be obvious from looking at their crimes, IQ results, cultures and even how they conduct themseves in a comment section.
Absolute savages and nothing seem to be able to convince them of behaving, it's always my fault that they suck so now our countries, our cultures are theirs and we're all expected to drink their brown semen and chew on their brown turds. I don't pretend to be speaking for others but here is one civilized person who won't bend over backwards to any savegery. And I should add that it's very disgusting when people like me do bend over to these people, so please do not dress up as a police officer and suck some brown person's penis please. The satisfaction on the ape's face makes my blood boil and I lack words to describe how disgusting the girl is.
While I'm not a Nazi I sure have come to learn what would fuel such hatred of savagery. Let's hope civilized people don't let themselves go and start practicing some of that which you always preach of savages. Because I can assure you, it would mean your extinction.
forerunner2: @Haugkall: yet u call us names and shit all over different cultures just because u wanna be a attention whore also your the ignorant one for not seeing what asshole u were being a long time ago
Haugkall: I constantely ask myself if I hold some opinion because it's making me feel good or because it's actually true. Do you think I'm happy that the average black IQ is 75 and the average muslim IQ is 82? No it's very sad. I'm not shitting on people, people aren't shitting on me, reality is shitting on us.
The truth, is what you're opposed to. And the truth is that brownies are flocking to us, we're not flocking to them. Their minds aren't very neat, their cultures are primitive and they lack respect. You lack respect forerunner. They flock to us, they love us but only as long as we kiss them and are accepting of their cultures. If I were a girl and I possessed this intellect and was really really nice to you, asked you about your rap music, gave you a lot of attention and then disgraced myself to you. That would be something wouldn't it?
But because I'm not then I should leave and let you giggle with the little girlies who knows no better than to be accepting of any person who's being nice and funny. That's called being naive, that's how pedophiles are able to lure children into their vans with candy. I wouldn't want to single you out forerunner, this applies to many people. Just because someone is nice or funny doesn't mean they know what's best for society or even what it means to raise a family or contribute anything of worth to society.
Why would I bring this up, because it's obvious that many of you didn't arrive at this site because you're appreciative of classical art or fine art. The girls came here because of their cartoon shows, the boys came here for the girls and some, a tiny sample of the flockmod community came for the art. It's obvious why you're here that's all. Maybe if you're here for the wrong reasons you're the one "who should leave if you don't like it"?
Don't take it personally, my concern isn't any one person but large demographics. Unless you want everything to turn into those places you ran from, don't have children and stop banning civilized people just for not subscribing to your savagery.
lolis: Expecting one culture to assimilate into another culture is like expecting a hammer to become a nail.
Cultures develop over thousands of years and when there is a mass exodus from one culture into the next, then the mass will stay together and maintain their own cultural beliefs and lifestyles. It's only when the scale of immigration is small enough to allow the immigrant to learn and adapt to the new culture, that there will be assimilation. When it's hoards of people coming all at once, it is essentially like trying to mix water and oil.
And Haugkall realizes that he is a grown man arguing with tots, here. It would be quite odd to actually see these debates happen in-person because Haug would be sitting across from a 12-year old in many cases!
Even though this place was never intended to be a daycare/playground for kids....It's just that it turned out that way.
Personally, I started coming here when I got my Macbook because I didn't have MS Paintbrush anymore and I needed to find a place to draw up some birthday card ideas. After awhile, I found it more fun to collab with other artists because there really are some talented people here. But, over the years, this site has been infiltrated by young kids who "immigrated" here instead of going outside and playing in the fresh air -because their parents are ignorant, stupid pussies. Just like those muslim immigrants that are invading Europe, the kids have made it more of a place for doodling and scribbling and drawing dicks because they are here in mass and they bring with them their mentality and "culture" in the same way.
The great thing is that anyone has the option to make their own, private room and draw seriously if that's what they want to do. There really isn't any need to try and convert the inherent chaos of these kid-infested public rooms into something manageable. Just go to a room that has some good mods in it (like me and Planet), or make a private room.
Haugkall: It doesn't matter if I argue with you or a twelve year old because you're so similar. Biologically I am a grown man in my mid twenties, but in respects to art or culture I'm far ahead of many people twice my age. Don't brag of things anyone can accomplish lolis. You draw regularly on here and have been doing it for years yet there are ten year olds who draw better than you. I don't know for certain but you're in your late thirties right. I can't begin to imagine what I would have to become in order to in 15 years stand behind a counter at a convenience store and draw like a toddler. You seem to be under the impression that we're equals or that you've figured something out that a 12 year old couldn't possibly figure out. That's not the case buddy, it might be a stranger sight still to see me argue with some pot bellied American hillbilly at a convenience store. Would be about as pointless as arguing with a vending machine.
forerunner2: @Haugkall: if u were a girl and tryyed disgracing yourself to me i would stop you before u even tryyed to, im not ur average 13 kid trying to get some thots ass in middle school, im too busy trying to get my grades up, and to cover the respect part i only respect my friends, ur not my friend so i dont respect u
lolis: LOL! Okay, well I'll bet I have more experience in the real art world than you do, my Svensker!
And there is nothing wrong with being employed -be it at a convenience store or anywhere else. Work is work. You probably are not employed., right?
These are kids, Haugkall. Go throw your art arguments to some of the people you claim are your equal instead of insisting on building your rep as the smartest adult in kindergarten, here.
Haugkall: I briefly mentioned people like you earlier lolis. Unless I'm not a part of your group or sub servient to mr pot belly then I'm going to be barraged with questions whose only purpose is to make the pot belly feel better about himself. Aren't you going to ask if I even lift bruh? Don't brag of things anyone can accomplish or of non accomplishments. In some ways you're similar to the dumbass young woman who when asked what she wants out of life answers that she wants some nice man to ejaculate into her and give her babies.
Oh yes so you've settled on the one thing even a newborn could figure out how to do while every day tossing salads about at a department store. What an achievement, oh gosh I should shiver in awe of this person he's so mature, so fulfilled, what a role model. I hate to break it to you but you're probably loosely classified as trailer trash lolis. That's at least my impression of you.
Now if your drawings were as good in comparison to my drawings as mine are to forerunner's. Then you would have a point, but when you're a man one or two decades older than me and try to put me down, yet draw like a toddler on a site dedicated to drawing. Not sure what to think of that, it's akin to an old man waltzing into a fashion boutique telling some guy to pull his pants up while wearing a diaper. Age isn't a virtue and it definitely don't make your more mature or intelligent. Heck when I was 14 I was into japanese history and old kurosawa movies, I knew each major battle by heart and all the famous generals and their daily routines. I wouldn't just brush kids off as kids. Many of them are going to be far greater than you lolis and maybe already are. As for your straw man, no I have got all which you posess and so much more, so maybe you ought to show some respect towards your superiors.
Whip that hide of yours savage beast at least one hundred times. Then crawl on your knees towards us unless that pot belly prevents you from doing so in which case you can scoot on your fat ass towards us. Kindly ask to be pardoned and hope the "kids" and Haugkall finds heart to bother with a nasty creature such as yourself.
lolis: I like Kurosawa movies, too....many people do. There's nothing exclusive about that. I'm surprised that you would give recognition to anyone with dark hair and dark eyes -like Kurosawa....but maybe you're just into dropping his name to appear "hip"?
What do you have to say about artists like Charles Schultz? Robert Crumb? Gahan Wilson? Bill Smith? Gary Larson? TOVE JANSSEN (note the last name) Do you think they are old men (ex. Tove) who draw like toddlers? Well? Do you....MUMRIK? :)
I think you are just projecting onto others, what you fear is happening to yourself. I think you are a rather meek guy who is looking for a safe place to be respected for your obvious artistic talents....and here you are.
I, for one, have respect for your talent. I know you draw very well. But...unfortunately, what you do is akin to being an expert at dancing the waltz. In other words, you are great at doing something that very few people care about. It used to be a big deal to be an expert at the waltz. It showed one to be of superior ilk....centuries ago.
There are many, many people with very similar talents to yours, Mestre Hypocrite. You can draw great art that has absolutely no lasting impact whatsoever....but your talent at drawing and your eye for the human figure is quite impressive....and art classrooms are filled with people just like you. You obviously don't get out much into the real art world much, or you would already know this. You spend too many of your best years here arguing with kids ...and old men!
Go outside today, Haugakall....Say hello to a nice blue-eyed, blonde-haired Swedish native girl and start living a real life. Just do it. Slap yourself in the face, right this moment...instead of responding to m with your next greatest insult, go outside and meet a girl and talk to her...Don't respond to me. Don't let the urge you are feeling to respond to me overtake the serious NEED for you to get out into the world. It's probably unlikely that you will get jumped by immigrants....but you've got to face your fears, sometime, man. We already know you can beat up kids and old, fat guys like me (lol...for real). Now let's see how you do with people your own age and mentality......*crickets chirping sound*
Haugkall: No I simply pointed out that it's possible for 14 year olds to be appreciative of neat things despite not being adults. So to dismiss them as kids when many of them draw better than you, possibly have better tastes than you and even might have a better grasp on wordly matters than you is silly. Age is a variable by which we can measure how well we're doing compared to others. Your old age would be of no consequence if you actually had a gallery full of amazing art. But that's not the case so not sure why it's relevant. It doesn't make you more experienced or more informed on the topic at hand and it definitely don't gives you the right to talk down to me.
As for the comic illustrators you mentioned, they're comic illustrators. A single panel from such a comic book on it's own would be nothing. It's the stories people are interested in. Tove Jansson was an author and a decent artist but the art isn't out of this world. However I'm not sure how this is relevant to what we're talking about, are you comparing your gallery to Tove Jansson's art?
https://i.imgur.com/o6n3LUP.jpg
As for people with similar talents to my own. Oh yes I know they exist, I speak to them on a daily basis. I'm not greater nor lesser than them, however most of them tend to have a rather poor taste. Space aliens and anime figurines anyone? What you'll find is that when you reach a certain skill threshold, then you can't simply doodle something out in 15 minutes without a good plan of what you're making. Even if you happen to know every muscle group and bone in the human body you're still going to need to get a realistic perspective on the figure and put the figure in an appealing setting. This means those people you speak of and even myself, there's little point in doodling the time away in any "art communities". You have to spend hours even days all by yourself working at something. It takes a long time and doesn't lend itself to funny chit chatting, it's work not play.
But alas you've got a point in regards to the waltz. Nobody is interested in a neat painting or statue anymore, so even wasting days or weeks on a single art piece would be time wasted. Just like with the comics you've got to set the pictures to a story. That's where games and movies come in, you got to either rely on others to handle the filming and the programming or you've got to figure that out as well. My statues are more than capable of being able to contribute to some game, however more profit is to be gained from working on something by yourself. Too many middle men leeching off of what you're creating which is why I'm currently teaching myself programming.
I could either concentrate on the art or allow myself to on occassion be distracted by savegery on the internet. Or I could hook up with the first nice girl I run past while out jogging and then sit at her house and watch stupid netflix series and feel good about myself while serving cappucinos at the local starbucks. Hmmm difficult choice, become a slob like lolis and eventually sucidial or pursue the arts and then eventually find some neat soul mate. I think the choice is obvious, anyway...
Enemy of human kind, crafty malevolent monster! Lash, lash that hide oh savage beast and liberate thy energies from that sloth which inclines you to eating and yet more eating. Give yourself 3000 lashes on your broad hillbilly buttocks so they turn red and give you great pain. Then I forgive you low born cur for daring to offend Haugkall most noble of flockmodders. You may upload photos as proof that you've carried out your punishment. Generally it's advised to not wrestle with pigs in the mud, because they like and you don't. Until you've carried out your punishment I will not join you for another mud bath sack of hillbilly potato shit. Now if you excuse me I've got stuff to do.
lolis: I have a Macbook and draw with my thumb and middle finger. Let's see you draw something under those conditions. You will find the lack of a more advanced drawing tool to be a limiting factor as to both time and detail. But I guess you ASSume that everyone you compare yourself to has the same starting point as you do with your drawing setup.
I don't compare the quality of my work, here, to be en par with Tove Janssen or any of the cartoonists I cited....Rather, I claim cartoon art as my style whilst drawing on a Macbook with my thumb and finger. If you're going to become critical of my work, then let's at least see what you are capable of with no specialized drawing tools, first. If you can draw better than me (or anyone else) at that point, then I will be satisfied you are a "better" artist than I. Until that time, however, you are nothing more than one of many artists who aren't better than anyone. You're simply one of a plethora of talented artists whose work is obviously taken from styles that died centuries ago. It's neither original or meaningful in any way. There is no allegory to any of it. It's just figure-study sketching and art classrooms are full of it.
Oh...and Wilson, Larson, etc. -many cartoonists are single-panel cartoonists -meaning they encapsulate the entire gist of the work in a single panel -as opposed to Tove Janssen who uses her cartoons to illustrate an ongoing storyline. Maybe you didn't know that. Do I compare myself to them? Yes, we are all cartoonists. Is my talent comparable to theirs? No. But I can cartoon well enough to make some humorous birthday cards and holiday cards for friends -which is a great way to take advantage of this site. I certainly don't purport to be a serious artist trying to make it in the art world. I'm just another insignificant artist -like yourself...just in a different style.
You are here with other artists who have a joy for art, too, Haugkall. Don't be a rain cloud. Be an umbrella.
Haugkall: I'll briefly comment on this nonsense because why not. Though I still look forward to seeing those red hilbilly arse cheeks of yours lolis. Drawing with your thumb is like running a marathon on your hands, it's dumb and a waste of time. There's allegory in my work, or rather in the archetypes or stories I choose to illustrate in my work.
Heracles raising the pillars at Gibraltar has great significance. He killed his family in a mad rage, then went on a journey to perform his labors. This archetypal figure represents every young man who chooses hard work before tying himself to a woman. The pillars he raised at Gibraltar are the pillars of civilization. I tried a few years ago now to make that into a statue, it's ok but flawed. I'm sure you can figure out what Thor bashing in the head of a troll means.
That you can't see how meaningful this is means you're glib. You're calling yourself an insignificant artist just like me. Not so sure we're at the same level buddy. That is not to say that cartoons can't make a profit, because unfortunately today people obsess over the most ridiculous stuff. I wouldn't say Hergé or Tove Jansson are great artists, decent story tellers more like it especially Tove. How many lashes have you given yourself so far?
lolis: Yes, drawing with just two digits IS a handicap in comparison to someone who uses tools specific to drawing. I simply cannot attempt to draw fine art with my Macbook.trackpad....thus, I have settled into cartooning here. But that's okay because no one is here to make fine art....except you, apparently.
Again, yes the BASIS for your subjects are chosen from allegorical works....but YOUR art is just sketches of the figures from the allegories. Do you think you are the first one to draw this way? You can't see the forest because your nose is pressed right up against a single tree. Step back, take a look around? See? There's all kids of art happening all around you....and here you are with your mind stuck inside visions of folkloric characters that have been drawn, sculpted, etc. for so long there is simply nowhere else to go with it. It's played out -like the waltz....and it's been played out by artists who were/are another level from you....a long, long time ago.
However, having said that.....there's nothing wrong with your romantic attachment to Scandinavian folklore. It's cool, actually. But why do you insist on being such an oaf to an audience of mostly kids, here? Their "folklore" is Japanese anime characters and dogs with oversized heads and ears. Why do they gravitate towards these things? -I have NO idea. Maybe drawing, in any form, with any tools (or lack thereof) is simply....fun. Maybe there isn't always an ultimate reason for any of it. What about that?
Your agenda, as an artist, isn't everyone's agenda. You are like the bird in the cage watching all the other,, little birds flying around, outside the cage -free to go wherever. And all you are doing is calling to them and beckoning them to come inside that restrictive cage with you. Why? Because misery loves company and you are miserable.
Haugkall: It has been played out you say? My goodness for one so many years older than me one would think you would have a basic understanding of what archetypes and fiction is all about. Why exactly do you think young children are afraid of the dark? It's because for thousands of years we had to fear nocturnal predators hiding in the shadows waiting for an opportunity to jump on us and chew us to bits. We've not only inherited a fear of darkness, but a range of other archetypal ideas. These ideas are never going to be played out because we as living breathing creatures need ways to organize ourselves in promotion of life and not death.
When we dismiss the archetypes, be it a masculine herculean hero, a ruthless protector like Thor or a man who sacrefices momentary pleasure for future gain in the form of knowledge, Odin. Then there are no standards, no rules of conduct. Let's obsess over assholes, toilets and poop like mr lolis. Let's screw our daughters like loopv, let's cut our genitalia off like pit. Let's behave like and be accepting of retarded rappers or inbred muslims in the name of diversity, tolerance and love. Let's become devils and trolls and piss all over the decent people and their sexist, racist arrogant art. Be it statues, architecture, litterature or anything else that was handed down to them by their ancestors.
It's never going to be played out or replaced by your retarded crap. Drawing with your fingers isn't a handicap, it's retarded and a waste of time. If I didn't own a 60 dollar tablet I would not have spent a single minute on any drawing site. And I would definitely not draw over a thousand pictures of pooping cats, farting women and toilets covered in poop. Try analyze your own art as I would analyze a statue, it's obvious you've got some kind of twisted kink for shit. That coupled with your caricatures of mexicans, muslims and blacks gives me a hillbilly vibe. Are you trailer trash that think "faggots" should all aspire to be more like you. An upstanding, hard working, responsible adult with "life experiences" and a neat pot belly full of growling turds. Lol, forget it you miserable bastard. Now would you want some sun lotion for that red neck and ass of yours? Because I hope you haven't forgot about your lashes.
lolis: So you are okay with debauchery as long as it is Scandinavian debauchery like all the raping and pillaging the Vikings were historically noted for....but you have a problem now that you and your Viking descendants are getting a taste of the same?
Got a problem with the muslims? Go out and confront them, yourself, like a man. Find a muslim man about your age and physical size and walk up and start talking the same shit to him that you talk in here to people who aren't in your physical presence.
And before you conjure up another boastful , tough-guy response, remember that people here (some of us, anyway) have seen you. We know what you look like and, trust me on this.....You are not a tough guy. So, just accept that you are not a tough guy and start being a nice guy. You might actually be able to pull that off.
You are, after all, a talented artist. It's just that you are no one's superior. You don't seem to accept or understand the terms of subjectivity and personal perspective....which indicates that you don't truly understand the vastness of art. However, like it or not, you can't condense it down to just the art you like and then expect that to be the universal definition. That's where your nose is up against the tree.
You have an imagination which allows you to project yourself into alignment with the great artists of the distant past and their heroic, allegorical figures like Thor and Odin, etc. But they are no more real than a cartoon cat taking a shit on top of a rainbow.
The difference is, I invent my own original characters and allegories -whereas you attempt to invoke characters that someone else invented centuries ago...and then reiterate them as if they came from your mind. I don't see any originality in that and I'd, personally, rather see a simplistic (like a cartoon) depiction of something original than I would a very intricately-drawn depiction of something I've seen a million times.
Just hold one of those photos of yourself that you have posted onto the internet, next to a painting of Thor or Odin and see how you compare to their images.
Haugkall: I'm not vain so I don't much care about my looks. If I would judge my physique or my face as I would judge a work of art then I would say that my greatest flaw are tired or dried eyes. If you spend a long time staring at anything your eyes are going to become dried out, when this happens just like sponges the tissue surrounding the eyes collect water. This makes the eyes look puffy or swollen.
A tired face howver can easily be cured. It might take a week or even a month for the face or body to change due to the rate at which cells in the body are replaced but not much longer than that. A month of good sleep and fresh air would cure a tired face. As for my body, it's not too shabby. Well proportioned and firm. You see I do about 700 rope jumps every morning, it's a good upper body, core and lower body workout. I also do some running which adds some extra meat to the thigs and buttocks.
That reminds me, how's it going with your ass cheeks mr. I hope you haven't forgot about the punishment you were given some posts back. 3000 lashes on your broad hillbilly buttocks, I want to see them red as plums in summer time. Anyway I'll not even humor the notion that you need to look like Odin in order to make a statue of him. Besides most of these figures were imagined in a time at which there wasn't much need for programming, fine art, litterature or architecture.
If I lived in viking times I would see the point in being a fat super muscular farmer. But going to the gym and lifting stuff to gain muscle today is a waste of time. It's not healthy, there is a possability that you'll get injured and you really have to make an effort not to look disproportionate. The movements you repeat over and over again aren't natural either, ever heard of kinetic strength? I bet you that Bruce Lee weighing only 70 kg had more strength than most of the out of breath body builders walking around today, simply due to the fact that he had greater control of his musculature.
No if you want to work out, be healthy and look good you need to do full body workouts. Swimming, climbing, running or possibly jump skipping are preferable to eating tons of protein and lifting junk. Anyway may we see your picture lolis? If a sissy faggot like myself was tough enough to upload his image on the internet years ago surely a man 15 years older would dare do the same and then some. Oh and if the consequences of hunting a muslim wouldn't be prison time. Then a lot of people would probably be into it. Even I might be convinced of doing such a thing because of what I have come to learn of them.
It would probably look something like this, let's hunt some muslim/black thugs.>:)
https://youtu.be/XD-PfIdGIBE?t=71
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heavy sarcasm displayed in the comment above :)
I know for a fact that forerunner, lauv and you too Yin assuming you're black would be much happier in a jungle somewhere or on a savanna. Be honest would you feel more comfortable here:
https://youtu.be/njaraxgQPYM
or here:
https://youtu.be/bJgD3ttyTLc?t=5
Know your limitations and your history. If you reject your past and lose your identity you become depressed. The person in this picture isn't blonde and definitely wouldn't fit in Tokyo. Stop trying to be what you're not and stop pissing all over people who appreciate European civilization. We would all be much happier if we would be allowed to segregate a bit. I definitely don't need your crappy rap and you don't need a strong family/farming culture. Keep your filthy muslim and black hands off the little white children and try keep your rap music at a low volume, civility will perserve!
That said, even I must admit a savage black beast clothed in nothing but her hair running after a zebra on the savanna. Layers of black flesh and sweat on top of her bones, the breath of an animal! The Howls of a gorilla can be heard when the great white hunter makes love to her black ass. I can see the appeal but the village in the video above is more important. So sorry but you got to be made to behave or move back to the jungle! And if none of this plays out there's going to be a terrible conflict at some point in the future. The European spirit won't die without a last fight!
oh wait I know why, they don't wanna waste their time to ban a racist asshole like Haugkall who think's he's all that with a cherry and bullshit who think's he has the right to be an asshole just because he thinks he has a say over everyone's oppinion, how about he goes and joins the band of terrorists who kidnap and bomb everyone because they think blacks are the scum of our planet because their skin is darker and they just happened to be raised with different cultures. And this terrorist group I mentioned, that would be the KKK just an fyi,
so if he replies, I would actually like to see him reply, I'm curious to see his book long reply on how he's so justified by his assholery, by putting dumb youtube or whatever the fuck else links in his reply.
why do you think everyone is attracted to me
what do you think I am a fucking THOT?
I'm actually fucking laughing this is so stupid lmao.
"extremist reactionary positions such as white supremacy, white nationalism, anti-immigration and—especially in later iterations—Nordicism."
I'm not a white supremacists, I'm a civility supremacists. Japanese samurai come on in, Italian baker come on in, Jewish mathematician come on in, fishing eskimo come on in. I'm opposed to bad manners, it just happens to be the case that some groups of people are more prone to bad behaviour than others. That's evolution and IQ. africans evolved for the savanna and small tribes not for family life in a village. It's not racist to be for law and order, if asians, jews, whites would become a minority in any one western country the west would turn into south america, Africa or the middle east. That's common sense and an obvious fact to all. There is no sacred earth at which people automatically create impressive architecture, nice litterature, beautiful art or invent space rockets capable of going to Mars. If all the middle easternes would move out of the midldle east and we would plant 60 million japanese people there, those countries wouldn't be shitholes anymore. Same thing if we put blacks or muslims in Japan, your beloved cartoons would disappear and instead those lands would be rapping shitholes.
None of this is racist, none of this has to do with me, all of this is a fact. I'm not a violent person, most civil people are very civilized. I wouldn't go punch some random brown person out just because it's likely that he is an idiot. However I've reached a point at which I might just be in favor of NOT throwing tax payer's money at "disenfranchised communities". Also let's not have babies with these people please, it's obvious that the child will be a bit retarded. Also please let's not build mosques or just have the rapist muslim pay a fine when he ruined some little blonde girl's anus. In fact, let's just castrate all pedophiles and rapists. All we've got to do is stop pampering these dumbasses and they'll eventually disappear. What pisses me off is when people make excuses for them, aw they have a special culture, they have had a hard time, people are being racist towards them. No idiot, these people have spent thousands of years in a jungle and are now having a hard time living up to our civilized standards.
When you keep screaming racist whenever facts are pointed out to you, or try associate me with retarded rednecks from America you're pushing your luck friend. When civilized people become uncivilized all savages beware, last time it happened the atomic bomb was invented. Wonder what the next weapon would be, a biological virus controlled by AI that eradicated all the savages? Who the hell knows. But let's all behave ourselves and such horrible things won't happen. I have read news stories of little girls being grinded down into kebab after being raped, it's going to take a lot for me to become uncivilized. But I fear others don't possess the same self restraint as I do, remember these new movements you see stirring in the west. They weren't a really a thing until recently. We recieved immigrants in the 90s, some more now in the 2000s. Just because some of you have grown to accept all this bullshit doesn't mean this is how it's always been. It's hard to fathom just how civilized people were a hundred years ago. I mean relatively peaceful, still ignorance but not at the same scale as today. Just look how peaceful everything is.
https://youtu.be/B-m9A8mY-U0?t=6
Beauty, civility, law, order, intellect is not racist.
If we take FBI data from, say, 2010 and 2011, almost 5000 blacks killed other blacks.
In 2012, black males made up 6.6% of the American population and were responsible for 5531 murders. In the same year, white males made up 38% of the American population and were responsible for 4582 murders.
Your vision of American racial segregation from the 1860s to the 1960s is very strange. It's almost as if you imagine white Americans beat up and killed blacks for laughs. While blacks didn't enjoy nearly as much civil rights as whites, white-on-black violence was very rare at this time (and still is).
And before you mention slavery, at the peak of slavery not even 2% of Americans were slave owners. Blacks themselves in African countries have practiced slavery on their own people at all times.
Who seems the most savage again?
Sources for the crime statistics:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl06.xls
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_3_murder_offenders_by_age_sex_and_race_2012.xls
Martin Luther King has little to do with anything. He is one example of a highly respectable black man but he clearly doesn't represent the majority. Poverty and lack of education alone can't excuse nor explain these blatant differences in crime rates and overall intelligence. Let's take a look at another man who is hailed by blacks and ignorants worldwide because he supposedly liberated his country from white oppressors, Nelson Mandela. What you may not know is that he was a terrorist (as part of his struggle against apartheid) and that he destroyed South Africa's economy during his term as president. Since the apartheid ended, South Africa's crime rate increased to be one of the highest in the world. The apartheid is now being turned against whites who suffer from more and more financial and social discrimination from the black elites.
http://prntscr.com/j2io1z
So much for liberation.
Who's only goal is to piss off "easy" targets.
To always get the last word in to matter how stupid and unnessisary the string becomes.
Re-using points to make yourself seem like you're original and higher minded,
call me a savage, call me a moron, tell me to behave.
Only when you behave will this site be a lot more tolerable.
Why not go to a site that could actually improve and better itself with these comments,
try going to sites like DeviantArt or maybe even Porn hub, find those savages there.
Hell even Youtube is a good place to get your kicks, broaden your horizons.
actually, I but my dick is bigger than hes, and the funnier part to that... is, I don't even got one.
oh and if your a fem, your acting very unlady like, a lady should be more proper and act to a certain level, giving everyone one the respect they deserve. oh and your probably think, that I shouldn't be talking, cos I'm not giving you respect or anything... but oh no hun, I'm giving you your spoon of medicine cos your seem to very ill. and your making everyone sick of you.
Wtf am i reading lol.
https://youtu.be/0BzqwOBneC4?t=374
If name calling doesn't work because the individual is too independant, strong minded and pure. Then they try to destroy you physically or make you leave. They'll do either of these things even though they're immigrants or exceptionally stupid. Qualification or quality doesn't matter, this is a crucial point. They all share an immense lack of respect for the countries they invade, the cultures they shit all over or the people they ask to leave. Even though next to us they're nothing. The average rapper should be kissing my feet. The average muslim or black person should be in absolute awe of the west or east Asia, doesn't matter if they grew up there it's not of their making. They would be unable to make any of it, their natural habitat is the savanna.
It's the mind of a pervert. Oh look at me I'm such a degenerate filthy beast, oh look at that pretty person over there let's try make him/her admit to being just as nasty as me by...oh yes let's obsess over each others filthy assholes. Let's try become friends under less than ideal circumstances by pretending to be keepin it real guurl, oh yeah hecka funny jajajaja. Yo dat some nice stuff bruh, yo gurl wanna go hang out over there later yo. All decent people know it's an act, there's not a single little blonde lady that goes to bed at night thinking to herself. Yo if only yo this or yo that. Within every one of them slumbers a proud super posh lioness, but they've been made to feel ashamed of being themselves. Necause they have come to think that it's normal to behave like the savages.
This is the great flaw in all decent folk. They have too much empathy, they're too kind and think that all people are just as sensitive and good natured as they are. So the reason the dumbass rapper is misbehaving or speak such nonsense, it's because he's a poor little baby who has had a bad time. Aww poor guy or gal, they were racist against her and she isn't accepted by the community. Aw look he raped someone. So what, he has been through war back in his home country and he felt a bit lonely. NO, they are not like us. That should be obvious from looking at their crimes, IQ results, cultures and even how they conduct themseves in a comment section.
Absolute savages and nothing seem to be able to convince them of behaving, it's always my fault that they suck so now our countries, our cultures are theirs and we're all expected to drink their brown semen and chew on their brown turds. I don't pretend to be speaking for others but here is one civilized person who won't bend over backwards to any savegery. And I should add that it's very disgusting when people like me do bend over to these people, so please do not dress up as a police officer and suck some brown person's penis please. The satisfaction on the ape's face makes my blood boil and I lack words to describe how disgusting the girl is.
While I'm not a Nazi I sure have come to learn what would fuel such hatred of savagery. Let's hope civilized people don't let themselves go and start practicing some of that which you always preach of savages. Because I can assure you, it would mean your extinction.
The truth, is what you're opposed to. And the truth is that brownies are flocking to us, we're not flocking to them. Their minds aren't very neat, their cultures are primitive and they lack respect. You lack respect forerunner. They flock to us, they love us but only as long as we kiss them and are accepting of their cultures. If I were a girl and I possessed this intellect and was really really nice to you, asked you about your rap music, gave you a lot of attention and then disgraced myself to you. That would be something wouldn't it?
But because I'm not then I should leave and let you giggle with the little girlies who knows no better than to be accepting of any person who's being nice and funny. That's called being naive, that's how pedophiles are able to lure children into their vans with candy. I wouldn't want to single you out forerunner, this applies to many people. Just because someone is nice or funny doesn't mean they know what's best for society or even what it means to raise a family or contribute anything of worth to society.
Why would I bring this up, because it's obvious that many of you didn't arrive at this site because you're appreciative of classical art or fine art. The girls came here because of their cartoon shows, the boys came here for the girls and some, a tiny sample of the flockmod community came for the art. It's obvious why you're here that's all. Maybe if you're here for the wrong reasons you're the one "who should leave if you don't like it"?
Don't take it personally, my concern isn't any one person but large demographics. Unless you want everything to turn into those places you ran from, don't have children and stop banning civilized people just for not subscribing to your savagery.
Cultures develop over thousands of years and when there is a mass exodus from one culture into the next, then the mass will stay together and maintain their own cultural beliefs and lifestyles. It's only when the scale of immigration is small enough to allow the immigrant to learn and adapt to the new culture, that there will be assimilation. When it's hoards of people coming all at once, it is essentially like trying to mix water and oil.
And Haugkall realizes that he is a grown man arguing with tots, here. It would be quite odd to actually see these debates happen in-person because Haug would be sitting across from a 12-year old in many cases!
Even though this place was never intended to be a daycare/playground for kids....It's just that it turned out that way.
Personally, I started coming here when I got my Macbook because I didn't have MS Paintbrush anymore and I needed to find a place to draw up some birthday card ideas. After awhile, I found it more fun to collab with other artists because there really are some talented people here. But, over the years, this site has been infiltrated by young kids who "immigrated" here instead of going outside and playing in the fresh air -because their parents are ignorant, stupid pussies. Just like those muslim immigrants that are invading Europe, the kids have made it more of a place for doodling and scribbling and drawing dicks because they are here in mass and they bring with them their mentality and "culture" in the same way.
The great thing is that anyone has the option to make their own, private room and draw seriously if that's what they want to do. There really isn't any need to try and convert the inherent chaos of these kid-infested public rooms into something manageable. Just go to a room that has some good mods in it (like me and Planet), or make a private room.
And there is nothing wrong with being employed -be it at a convenience store or anywhere else. Work is work. You probably are not employed., right?
These are kids, Haugkall. Go throw your art arguments to some of the people you claim are your equal instead of insisting on building your rep as the smartest adult in kindergarten, here.
Oh yes so you've settled on the one thing even a newborn could figure out how to do while every day tossing salads about at a department store. What an achievement, oh gosh I should shiver in awe of this person he's so mature, so fulfilled, what a role model. I hate to break it to you but you're probably loosely classified as trailer trash lolis. That's at least my impression of you.
Now if your drawings were as good in comparison to my drawings as mine are to forerunner's. Then you would have a point, but when you're a man one or two decades older than me and try to put me down, yet draw like a toddler on a site dedicated to drawing. Not sure what to think of that, it's akin to an old man waltzing into a fashion boutique telling some guy to pull his pants up while wearing a diaper. Age isn't a virtue and it definitely don't make your more mature or intelligent. Heck when I was 14 I was into japanese history and old kurosawa movies, I knew each major battle by heart and all the famous generals and their daily routines. I wouldn't just brush kids off as kids. Many of them are going to be far greater than you lolis and maybe already are. As for your straw man, no I have got all which you posess and so much more, so maybe you ought to show some respect towards your superiors.
Whip that hide of yours savage beast at least one hundred times. Then crawl on your knees towards us unless that pot belly prevents you from doing so in which case you can scoot on your fat ass towards us. Kindly ask to be pardoned and hope the "kids" and Haugkall finds heart to bother with a nasty creature such as yourself.
What do you have to say about artists like Charles Schultz? Robert Crumb? Gahan Wilson? Bill Smith? Gary Larson? TOVE JANSSEN (note the last name) Do you think they are old men (ex. Tove) who draw like toddlers? Well? Do you....MUMRIK? :)
I think you are just projecting onto others, what you fear is happening to yourself. I think you are a rather meek guy who is looking for a safe place to be respected for your obvious artistic talents....and here you are.
I, for one, have respect for your talent. I know you draw very well. But...unfortunately, what you do is akin to being an expert at dancing the waltz. In other words, you are great at doing something that very few people care about. It used to be a big deal to be an expert at the waltz. It showed one to be of superior ilk....centuries ago.
There are many, many people with very similar talents to yours, Mestre Hypocrite. You can draw great art that has absolutely no lasting impact whatsoever....but your talent at drawing and your eye for the human figure is quite impressive....and art classrooms are filled with people just like you. You obviously don't get out much into the real art world much, or you would already know this. You spend too many of your best years here arguing with kids ...and old men!
Go outside today, Haugakall....Say hello to a nice blue-eyed, blonde-haired Swedish native girl and start living a real life. Just do it. Slap yourself in the face, right this moment...instead of responding to m with your next greatest insult, go outside and meet a girl and talk to her...Don't respond to me. Don't let the urge you are feeling to respond to me overtake the serious NEED for you to get out into the world. It's probably unlikely that you will get jumped by immigrants....but you've got to face your fears, sometime, man. We already know you can beat up kids and old, fat guys like me (lol...for real). Now let's see how you do with people your own age and mentality......*crickets chirping sound*
Your turn
As for the comic illustrators you mentioned, they're comic illustrators. A single panel from such a comic book on it's own would be nothing. It's the stories people are interested in. Tove Jansson was an author and a decent artist but the art isn't out of this world. However I'm not sure how this is relevant to what we're talking about, are you comparing your gallery to Tove Jansson's art?
https://i.imgur.com/o6n3LUP.jpg
As for people with similar talents to my own. Oh yes I know they exist, I speak to them on a daily basis. I'm not greater nor lesser than them, however most of them tend to have a rather poor taste. Space aliens and anime figurines anyone? What you'll find is that when you reach a certain skill threshold, then you can't simply doodle something out in 15 minutes without a good plan of what you're making. Even if you happen to know every muscle group and bone in the human body you're still going to need to get a realistic perspective on the figure and put the figure in an appealing setting. This means those people you speak of and even myself, there's little point in doodling the time away in any "art communities". You have to spend hours even days all by yourself working at something. It takes a long time and doesn't lend itself to funny chit chatting, it's work not play.
But alas you've got a point in regards to the waltz. Nobody is interested in a neat painting or statue anymore, so even wasting days or weeks on a single art piece would be time wasted. Just like with the comics you've got to set the pictures to a story. That's where games and movies come in, you got to either rely on others to handle the filming and the programming or you've got to figure that out as well. My statues are more than capable of being able to contribute to some game, however more profit is to be gained from working on something by yourself. Too many middle men leeching off of what you're creating which is why I'm currently teaching myself programming.
I could either concentrate on the art or allow myself to on occassion be distracted by savegery on the internet. Or I could hook up with the first nice girl I run past while out jogging and then sit at her house and watch stupid netflix series and feel good about myself while serving cappucinos at the local starbucks. Hmmm difficult choice, become a slob like lolis and eventually sucidial or pursue the arts and then eventually find some neat soul mate. I think the choice is obvious, anyway...
Enemy of human kind, crafty malevolent monster! Lash, lash that hide oh savage beast and liberate thy energies from that sloth which inclines you to eating and yet more eating. Give yourself 3000 lashes on your broad hillbilly buttocks so they turn red and give you great pain. Then I forgive you low born cur for daring to offend Haugkall most noble of flockmodders. You may upload photos as proof that you've carried out your punishment. Generally it's advised to not wrestle with pigs in the mud, because they like and you don't. Until you've carried out your punishment I will not join you for another mud bath sack of hillbilly potato shit. Now if you excuse me I've got stuff to do.
I don't compare the quality of my work, here, to be en par with Tove Janssen or any of the cartoonists I cited....Rather, I claim cartoon art as my style whilst drawing on a Macbook with my thumb and finger. If you're going to become critical of my work, then let's at least see what you are capable of with no specialized drawing tools, first. If you can draw better than me (or anyone else) at that point, then I will be satisfied you are a "better" artist than I. Until that time, however, you are nothing more than one of many artists who aren't better than anyone. You're simply one of a plethora of talented artists whose work is obviously taken from styles that died centuries ago. It's neither original or meaningful in any way. There is no allegory to any of it. It's just figure-study sketching and art classrooms are full of it.
Oh...and Wilson, Larson, etc. -many cartoonists are single-panel cartoonists -meaning they encapsulate the entire gist of the work in a single panel -as opposed to Tove Janssen who uses her cartoons to illustrate an ongoing storyline. Maybe you didn't know that. Do I compare myself to them? Yes, we are all cartoonists. Is my talent comparable to theirs? No. But I can cartoon well enough to make some humorous birthday cards and holiday cards for friends -which is a great way to take advantage of this site. I certainly don't purport to be a serious artist trying to make it in the art world. I'm just another insignificant artist -like yourself...just in a different style.
You are here with other artists who have a joy for art, too, Haugkall. Don't be a rain cloud. Be an umbrella.
Heracles raising the pillars at Gibraltar has great significance. He killed his family in a mad rage, then went on a journey to perform his labors. This archetypal figure represents every young man who chooses hard work before tying himself to a woman. The pillars he raised at Gibraltar are the pillars of civilization. I tried a few years ago now to make that into a statue, it's ok but flawed. I'm sure you can figure out what Thor bashing in the head of a troll means.
That you can't see how meaningful this is means you're glib. You're calling yourself an insignificant artist just like me. Not so sure we're at the same level buddy. That is not to say that cartoons can't make a profit, because unfortunately today people obsess over the most ridiculous stuff. I wouldn't say Hergé or Tove Jansson are great artists, decent story tellers more like it especially Tove. How many lashes have you given yourself so far?
Again, yes the BASIS for your subjects are chosen from allegorical works....but YOUR art is just sketches of the figures from the allegories. Do you think you are the first one to draw this way? You can't see the forest because your nose is pressed right up against a single tree. Step back, take a look around? See? There's all kids of art happening all around you....and here you are with your mind stuck inside visions of folkloric characters that have been drawn, sculpted, etc. for so long there is simply nowhere else to go with it. It's played out -like the waltz....and it's been played out by artists who were/are another level from you....a long, long time ago.
However, having said that.....there's nothing wrong with your romantic attachment to Scandinavian folklore. It's cool, actually. But why do you insist on being such an oaf to an audience of mostly kids, here? Their "folklore" is Japanese anime characters and dogs with oversized heads and ears. Why do they gravitate towards these things? -I have NO idea. Maybe drawing, in any form, with any tools (or lack thereof) is simply....fun. Maybe there isn't always an ultimate reason for any of it. What about that?
Your agenda, as an artist, isn't everyone's agenda. You are like the bird in the cage watching all the other,, little birds flying around, outside the cage -free to go wherever. And all you are doing is calling to them and beckoning them to come inside that restrictive cage with you. Why? Because misery loves company and you are miserable.
When we dismiss the archetypes, be it a masculine herculean hero, a ruthless protector like Thor or a man who sacrefices momentary pleasure for future gain in the form of knowledge, Odin. Then there are no standards, no rules of conduct. Let's obsess over assholes, toilets and poop like mr lolis. Let's screw our daughters like loopv, let's cut our genitalia off like pit. Let's behave like and be accepting of retarded rappers or inbred muslims in the name of diversity, tolerance and love. Let's become devils and trolls and piss all over the decent people and their sexist, racist arrogant art. Be it statues, architecture, litterature or anything else that was handed down to them by their ancestors.
It's never going to be played out or replaced by your retarded crap. Drawing with your fingers isn't a handicap, it's retarded and a waste of time. If I didn't own a 60 dollar tablet I would not have spent a single minute on any drawing site. And I would definitely not draw over a thousand pictures of pooping cats, farting women and toilets covered in poop. Try analyze your own art as I would analyze a statue, it's obvious you've got some kind of twisted kink for shit. That coupled with your caricatures of mexicans, muslims and blacks gives me a hillbilly vibe. Are you trailer trash that think "faggots" should all aspire to be more like you. An upstanding, hard working, responsible adult with "life experiences" and a neat pot belly full of growling turds. Lol, forget it you miserable bastard. Now would you want some sun lotion for that red neck and ass of yours? Because I hope you haven't forgot about your lashes.
Got a problem with the muslims? Go out and confront them, yourself, like a man. Find a muslim man about your age and physical size and walk up and start talking the same shit to him that you talk in here to people who aren't in your physical presence.
And before you conjure up another boastful , tough-guy response, remember that people here (some of us, anyway) have seen you. We know what you look like and, trust me on this.....You are not a tough guy. So, just accept that you are not a tough guy and start being a nice guy. You might actually be able to pull that off.
You are, after all, a talented artist. It's just that you are no one's superior. You don't seem to accept or understand the terms of subjectivity and personal perspective....which indicates that you don't truly understand the vastness of art. However, like it or not, you can't condense it down to just the art you like and then expect that to be the universal definition. That's where your nose is up against the tree.
You have an imagination which allows you to project yourself into alignment with the great artists of the distant past and their heroic, allegorical figures like Thor and Odin, etc. But they are no more real than a cartoon cat taking a shit on top of a rainbow.
The difference is, I invent my own original characters and allegories -whereas you attempt to invoke characters that someone else invented centuries ago...and then reiterate them as if they came from your mind. I don't see any originality in that and I'd, personally, rather see a simplistic (like a cartoon) depiction of something original than I would a very intricately-drawn depiction of something I've seen a million times.
Just hold one of those photos of yourself that you have posted onto the internet, next to a painting of Thor or Odin and see how you compare to their images.
A tired face howver can easily be cured. It might take a week or even a month for the face or body to change due to the rate at which cells in the body are replaced but not much longer than that. A month of good sleep and fresh air would cure a tired face. As for my body, it's not too shabby. Well proportioned and firm. You see I do about 700 rope jumps every morning, it's a good upper body, core and lower body workout. I also do some running which adds some extra meat to the thigs and buttocks.
That reminds me, how's it going with your ass cheeks mr. I hope you haven't forgot about the punishment you were given some posts back. 3000 lashes on your broad hillbilly buttocks, I want to see them red as plums in summer time. Anyway I'll not even humor the notion that you need to look like Odin in order to make a statue of him. Besides most of these figures were imagined in a time at which there wasn't much need for programming, fine art, litterature or architecture.
If I lived in viking times I would see the point in being a fat super muscular farmer. But going to the gym and lifting stuff to gain muscle today is a waste of time. It's not healthy, there is a possability that you'll get injured and you really have to make an effort not to look disproportionate. The movements you repeat over and over again aren't natural either, ever heard of kinetic strength? I bet you that Bruce Lee weighing only 70 kg had more strength than most of the out of breath body builders walking around today, simply due to the fact that he had greater control of his musculature.
No if you want to work out, be healthy and look good you need to do full body workouts. Swimming, climbing, running or possibly jump skipping are preferable to eating tons of protein and lifting junk. Anyway may we see your picture lolis? If a sissy faggot like myself was tough enough to upload his image on the internet years ago surely a man 15 years older would dare do the same and then some. Oh and if the consequences of hunting a muslim wouldn't be prison time. Then a lot of people would probably be into it. Even I might be convinced of doing such a thing because of what I have come to learn of them.
It would probably look something like this, let's hunt some muslim/black thugs.>:)
https://youtu.be/XD-PfIdGIBE?t=71